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Murchie

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Murchie    541

Reading on the internet today that Celtic are being linked with 19 year old Chelsea striker Dominic Solanke. Due to cross border rules the developmemt fee Celtic would have to pay is £400,000/500,000. Seemingly if he was to goto another EPL club the fee that is being quoted is £8,000,000 Not sure where this figure has come from as we're speaking about a 19 year old kid was has played the grand total of 17 minutes of top team football for Chelsea. Going to Celtic would give him what he needs, first team football.

Celtic took advantage of the cross border rule last season when they signed Moussa Dembele from Fulham for £500,000 Figures being quoted for him now are £30,000,000 Yes the lad has talent but is he a £30,000,000 player, well thats debatable. There is no doubt that he will move back to the EPL or abroad if he keeps up the level of performance he has shown this season. He says he's happy at Celtic and he knows he'll get first team football and to play in the CL.

Heading in the other direction to Chelsea is 16 year old kid Billy Gilmour from Rangers, good talented player but I think this is the wrong move for him. No doubt he'll be in the youth team for a couple of years then like the vast majority of youngsters at Chelsea he'll be loaned out for a couple of seasons that that'll be it.

He just needs to look at Izzy Feruz who moved from Celtic to Chelsea in 2011 at the age of 16. After 3 years at Chelsea with no first team football he's spent the last 3 years on loan at 5 different clubs making the grant total of 20 appearances as a centre forward and scoring zero goals. This was a kid who certainly had the talent but it seems that talent has been wasted, no doubt he has made a few pound out of it but sad to see such good talent goto waste.

Will be interesting to see where Dembele and Gilmour are in 5/6 years. I hope the kid Gilmour makes it but I see him heading the same way as many Chelsea youngsters.

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Parky    1,910
On 10/05/2017 at 0:39 AM, Murchie said:

Reading on the internet today that Celtic are being linked with 19 year old Chelsea striker Dominic Solanke. Due to cross border rules the developmemt fee Celtic would have to pay is £400,000/500,000. Seemingly if he was to goto another EPL club the fee that is being quoted is £8,000,000 Not sure where this figure has come from as we're speaking about a 19 year old kid was has played the grand total of 17 minutes of top team football for Chelsea. Going to Celtic would give him what he needs, first team football.

Celtic took advantage of the cross border rule last season when they signed Moussa Dembele from Fulham for £500,000 Figures being quoted for him now are £30,000,000 Yes the lad has talent but is he a £30,000,000 player, well thats debatable. There is no doubt that he will move back to the EPL or abroad if he keeps up the level of performance he has shown this season. He says he's happy at Celtic and he knows he'll get first team football and to play in the CL.

Heading in the other direction to Chelsea is 16 year old kid Billy Gilmour from Rangers, good talented player but I think this is the wrong move for him. No doubt he'll be in the youth team for a couple of years then like the vast majority of youngsters at Chelsea he'll be loaned out for a couple of seasons that that'll be it.

He just needs to look at Izzy Feruz who moved from Celtic to Chelsea in 2011 at the age of 16. After 3 years at Chelsea with no first team football he's spent the last 3 years on loan at 5 different clubs making the grant total of 20 appearances as a centre forward and scoring zero goals. This was a kid who certainly had the talent but it seems that talent has been wasted, no doubt he has made a few pound out of it but sad to see such good talent goto waste.

Will be interesting to see where Dembele and Gilmour are in 5/6 years. I hope the kid Gilmour makes it but I see him heading the same way as many Chelsea youngsters.

I read somewhere Chelsea had 36 players out on loan, I think the policy is to sign as many as they can when young in case they come through the ranks, that's untold money for you... it also stops rival teams getting stronger...

Southampton and Spurs seem the only top flight club bringing  kids through though United have Rashford and Lingaurd , you can see why  the players go reading salarys of 30k a week for 3 years ...£4.5 million by the time they are 19... Imagine that being offered to a 15 or 16 year old...

I must confess I don't understand the cross boarder rules though ?

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1 hour ago, Parky said:

 

I must confess I don't understand the cross boarder rules though ?

There's a rule in England where if a young player, under 24, is offered a new contract but declines it to play else where the new club has to pay compensation even though he's out of contract. Fifa also have rules on this but the compensation is much lower. So a young lad moving from England to Scotland cost a lot less.

http://fullcontactlaw.co.UK/2016/11/compensation-players-24-mystery/

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9 hours ago, Parky said:

I read somewhere Chelsea had 36 players out on loan, I think the policy is to sign as many as they can when young in case they come through the ranks, that's untold money for you... it also stops rival teams getting stronger...

Southampton and Spurs seem the only top flight club bringing  kids through though United have Rashford and Lingaurd , you can see why  the players go reading salarys of 30k a week for 3 years ...£4.5 million by the time they are 19... Imagine that being offered to a 15 or 16 year old...

I must confess I don't understand the cross boarder rules though ?

Well plenty of clubs have U16s, U15s, U17s, U18s, U20s, U23s etc. Some clubs go for the best ones, it doesn't cost that much to sign them when they're young and if one of them ends up being a 20 million pound player later on you're well ahead. A few of them might be good enough to play in the first team like Courtois or Moses. It's a win-win as the players get a good contract, the club ensures that they'll get playing time and if they prove to be good they'll get a chance in the first team. 

Liverpool bring kids through as well. They just tend to leave them at their feeder club Southampton first 555. 

Kids can sign a contract with maximum duration of 3 years at 16. Which often means that when they are 19 they can leave the club and sign another contract with another team. However they are NOT free agents. Teams that sign players who have only signed contracts when they were under 18, or haven't signed a professional contract before they turned 18 have to pay compensation to the team that has trained the player. If the player isn't offered a contract though then they can leave as a free agent. However if the player leaves for a local team, the amount of compensation is decided by a local tribunal. If the player leaves for a foreign club (sorry I have no idea if Welsh clubs playing in the English football pyramid are considered to be foreign or not, probably not though) then the amount of compensation is decided by FIFA. Actually English clubs require compensation when a player leaves their club for another club if he is under the age of 24, which is against the Bosman law and FIFA/UEFA regulations, but nobody has bothered challenging it.

In the UK players tend to sign their first contract when they turn 16, so you've got plenty of players that need to decide for their future when they turn 19. Now if they move to another English club, a decision would have to be made regarding the compensation their old club would receive. The perceived value of the player can be anything under the sun. For example when Zeki Fryers wanted to leave Manchester United to join Tottenham Hotspur the tribunal would have rewarded Manchester United something in the range of 6-8 million pounds as compensation. FIFA on the other hand use a straight cut formula that takes into account the player wages, cost of training plus some profit so the guy moved to a club in Belgium (Standard Liege) for 400,000 or so. Six months later the Spurs signed him from Standard Liege and SAF was whinging. Another guy from Manchester United didn't want to sign a new contract, so his agent paid the 800,000 pound compensation, took him to another club, then sold him back to Manchester United for 90 million pounds. :laugh: :rolleyes:

Celtic last year signed a really good player Moussa Dembele for less than a million, they're probably going to sell him for 35 million or so this year. Rinse, repeat. 

Teams offer high wages to 16 year olds, but not like 30K a week. But maybe they'll get to offer that sooner or later. Spanish clubs have a much better system with dealing with their youth prospects. They offer their players a basic wage, that is increased if one of many clauses are met (like playing with the first team). End of the year he extends his contract for another year with the same clauses remaining on effect. Thus a player doesn't have in mind contract talks or transfers, if he performs he knows that he'll be getting more money and if he gets to be a first team regular he'll be earning only a bit less than what other first team regulars earn. 

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Murchie    541
11 hours ago, Parky said:

I read somewhere Chelsea had 36 players out on loan, I think the policy is to sign as many as they can when young in case they come through the ranks, that's untold money for you... it also stops rival teams getting stronger...

Southampton and Spurs seem the only top flight club bringing  kids through though United have Rashford and Lingaurd , you can see why  the players go reading salarys of 30k a week for 3 years ...£4.5 million by the time they are 19... Imagine that being offered to a 15 or 16 year old...

I must confess I don't understand the cross boarder rules though ?

Celtic had five players in the squad last Saturday that have came though their development/U20s. All five played although not all at the same time. 

Three of the five Kieran Tierney, James Forrest and Callum McGregor get regular football with KT being one of the first names on the team sheet, when the Celtic fan have a song for you you know you've made. 

The were making there first team debuts , Anthony Rylstone and Mike Johnston. Both had very good games and slotted into the team no problem. Chelsea were seemingly interested in Johnston but the good news is he signed a new three year contact just a few hours after the game. Some day for the kid, make your debut for your boyhood heroes and then sign a new three year contract. 

Was delighted to hear that my friends son signed his first professional contract with Aberdeen yesterday.

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Parky    1,910
1 hour ago, Andrew19 said:

Well plenty of clubs have U16s, U15s, U17s, U18s, U20s, U23s etc. Some clubs go for the best ones, it doesn't cost that much to sign them when they're young and if one of them ends up being a 20 million pound player later on you're well ahead. A few of them might be good enough to play in the first team like Courtois or Moses. It's a win-win as the players get a good contract, the club ensures that they'll get playing time and if they prove to be good they'll get a chance in the first team. 

Liverpool bring kids through as well. They just tend to leave them at their feeder club Southampton first 555. 

Kids can sign a contract with maximum duration of 3 years at 16. Which often means that when they are 19 they can leave the club and sign another contract with another team. However they are NOT free agents. Teams that sign players who have only signed contracts when they were under 18, or haven't signed a professional contract before they turned 18 have to pay compensation to the team that has trained the player. If the player isn't offered a contract though then they can leave as a free agent. However if the player leaves for a local team, the amount of compensation is decided by a local tribunal. If the player leaves for a foreign club (sorry I have no idea if Welsh clubs playing in the English football pyramid are considered to be foreign or not, probably not though) then the amount of compensation is decided by FIFA. Actually English clubs require compensation when a player leaves their club for another club if he is under the age of 24, which is against the Bosman law and FIFA/UEFA regulations, but nobody has bothered challenging it.

In the UK players tend to sign their first contract when they turn 16, so you've got plenty of players that need to decide for their future when they turn 19. Now if they move to another English club, a decision would have to be made regarding the compensation their old club would receive. The perceived value of the player can be anything under the sun. For example when Zeki Fryers wanted to leave Manchester United to join Tottenham Hotspur the tribunal would have rewarded Manchester United something in the range of 6-8 million pounds as compensation. FIFA on the other hand use a straight cut formula that takes into account the player wages, cost of training plus some profit so the guy moved to a club in Belgium (Standard Liege) for 400,000 or so. Six months later the Spurs signed him from Standard Liege and SAF was whinging. Another guy from Manchester United didn't want to sign a new contract, so his agent paid the 800,000 pound compensation, took him to another club, then sold him back to Manchester United for 90 million pounds. :laugh: :rolleyes:

Celtic last year signed a really good player Moussa Dembele for less than a million, they're probably going to sell him for 35 million or so this year. Rinse, repeat. 

Teams offer high wages to 16 year olds, but not like 30K a week. But maybe they'll get to offer that sooner or later. Spanish clubs have a much better system with dealing with their youth prospects. They offer their players a basic wage, that is increased if one of many clauses are met (like playing with the first team). End of the year he extends his contract for another year with the same clauses remaining on effect. Thus a player doesn't have in mind contract talks or transfers, if he performs he knows that he'll be getting more money and if he gets to be a first team regular he'll be earning only a bit less than what other first team regulars earn. 

http://playerscout.co.UK/football-academies/do-academy-players-get-paid/

at 17 year old  with 2 games under his belt  negotiated  £30k a week,,, Its all about the prospect..I was incorrect  saying 16 years old, there was a  Nordic kid at Chelsea  17 years old 15k  a week.. No where near first  team, then Madrid paid Odegaard  bundles when 15 ... I think  he played for his Country at 15..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Ødegaard

 

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Parky    1,910
22 minutes ago, Murchie said:

Celtic had five players in the squad last Saturday that have came though their development/U20s. All five played although not all at the same time. 

Three of the five Kieran Tierney, James Forrest and Callum McGregor get regular football with KT being one of the first names on the team sheet, when the Celtic fan have a song for you you know you've made. 

The were making there first team debuts , Anthony Rylstone and Mike Johnston. Both had very good games and slotted into the team no problem. Chelsea were seemingly interested in Johnston but the good news is he signed a new three year contact just a few hours after the game. Some day for the kid, make your debut for your boyhood heroes and then sign a new three year contract. 

Was delighted to hear that my friends son signed his first professional contract with Aberdeen yesterday.

Rodgers has a good reputation for managing kids through, what killed him at liverpool was signing Balotelli... Good luck to your mates son, 

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10 minutes ago, Parky said:

http://playerscout.co.UK/football-academies/do-academy-players-get-paid/

at 17 year old  with 2 games under his belt  negotiated  £30k a week,,, Its all about the prospect..I was incorrect  saying 16 years old, there was a  Nordic kid at Chelsea  17 years old 15k  a week.. No where near first  team, then Madrid paid Odegaard  bundles when 15 ... I think  he played for his Country at 15..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Ødegaard

Yup, 16yo is not the same as 17yo and is not the same as 18yo. There is a huge difference even though it's only one year. 

Odegaard was a bit of an oddity, they guy was playing in the men's national team at 15 and he was the best player there. When he signed for Real Madrid he added so many clauses in the contract, that would force Real Madrid to have him train with the first team and field him in the various friendly tournaments RM are invited during the summer. Now the guy isn't good enough for Real Madrid starting eleven yet, so he had to be loaned out to another club in order to get playing time. Well he didn't want to be loaned out, so he went to play for the B' team (playing in the 3rd division). They finally got some sense into him and they loaned him out to Heerenveen where I expect him to get a lot of playing time. It's not that it went bad for him, he gets to play in a 2nd rate European league. On the other hand I don't think he would have improved much had he stayed in Norway, the competition level there is too low, the coaching is nowhere near the coaching level of Real Madrid and the training facilities are good for a semi pro club, but not among the world's best. 

By the way teams don't let their youngsters rot in the reserves. They tend to loan them to other affiliated clubs where they get regular first team football. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Murchie said:

Celtic had five players in the squad last Saturday that have came though their development/U20s. All five played although not all at the same time. 

Celtic should have done that 5 years ago as with Rangers playing in the 3rd division all they had to do was turn up in order to win the title. 

The real test is using players in important games, not in end of season fixtures after you have clinched the title. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Andrew19 said:

Celtic should have done that 5 years ago as with Rangers playing in the 3rd division all they had to do was turn up in order to win the title. 

The real test is using players in important games, not in end of season fixtures after you have clinched the title. 

 

Just like Sevco thought all they had to do was turn up and they would climb back up the leagues year on year, didn't exactly go as they planned though. Don't think any team have won a league by just turning up.

 

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1 hour ago, Andrew19 said:

Celtic should have done that 5 years ago as with Rangers playing in the 3rd division all they had to do was turn up in order to win the title. 

The real test is using players in important games, not in end of season fixtures after you have clinched the title. 

 

you are under estimating scottish football .

its definately not a league for throwing too many kids in to .

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Murchie    541
12 hours ago, Parky said:

Rodgers has a good reputation for managing kids through, what killed him at liverpool was signing Balotelli... Good luck to your mates son, 

He's in  the squad for tonight's game against Celtic, granted its due to injuries to other players but still great for the kid.

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10 hours ago, mulphy said:

you are under estimating scottish football .

its definately not a league for throwing too many kids in to .

We wouldn't be at six in a row had we filled the team with kids. If we can bring one in every couple of years that becomes a first team regular, as we have been doing, then I'll be happy with that. 

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18 hours ago, Murchie said:

Just like Sevco thought all they had to do was turn up and they would climb back up the leagues year on year, didn't exactly go as they planned though. Don't think any team have won a league by just turning up.

Sevco spent a ridiculous amount of money when they were playing in the lower leagues and still managed not to get promoted 2 years ago. 

17 hours ago, mulphy said:

you are under estimating scottish football .

its definately not a league for throwing too many kids in to .

Is it the same league that Celtic have been winning for the past 6 years? Isn't it the one they win by 20 points on average? 

I don't know, but maybe the kids in your youth team didn't have enough potential, they just looked good because their opposition was crap. But if this is the way you Celtic fans think and the way the management think, players like Islam Feruz are better off heading to Chelsea.

(By the way Tierney was impossible to ignore I guess). 

 

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1 hour ago, Andrew19 said:

Sevco spent a ridiculous amount of money when they were playing in the lower leagues and still managed not to get promoted 2 years ago. 

Is it the same league that Celtic have been winning for the past 6 years? Isn't it the one they win by 20 points on average? 

I don't know, but maybe the kids in your youth team didn't have enough potential, they just looked good because their opposition was crap. But if this is the way you Celtic fans think and the way the management think, players like Islam Feruz are better off heading to Chelsea.

(By the way Tierney was impossible to ignore I guess). 

 

celtic actually have a very young team , the squad is mostly under 23 and many have come through from the youth team .

tierney is just class and will go on to better things if he picks his next club carefully .

so if its one of the top 6 in england or one of europes big clubs .

any other english club and hes not bettering his self .

celtic win the league because celtic are a big club ,. a good club in any stretch of the imagination .

that doesnt make scottish football bad , it makes celtic good .

however i maintain scottish football is not a place for too many youngsters .

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21 minutes ago, mulphy said:

celtic actually have a very young team , the squad is mostly under 23 and many have come through from the youth team .

however i maintain scottish football is not a place for too many youngsters .

Maybe the squad is mostly under 23 if you get to include the youth team. Regardless of that you only get to see 4 u23s regularly playing for the team Tierney, Dembele, Simunovic and Roberts. Henderson gets some time off the bench as well. Well out of the ones playing regularly only one is Scottish and one doesn't even belong to you.

The Scottish league is a place for youngsters to showcase their skills and that's the reason Solanke might be joining you. Just happens that these youngsters aren't Scottish. 

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2 minutes ago, Andrew19 said:

Maybe the squad is mostly under 23 if you get to include the youth team. Regardless of that you only get to see 4 u23s regularly playing for the team Tierney, Dembele, Simunovic and Roberts. Henderson gets some time off the bench as well. Well out of the ones playing regularly only one is Scottish and one doesn't even belong to you.

The Scottish league is a place for youngsters to showcase their skills and that's the reason Solanke might be joining you. Just happens that these youngsters aren't Scottish. 

what about aitchison only a kid , what about mcgregor , what about armstrong , ralston , johnstone also kids ,  eboue .

all youngsters .

the rest of the team is between 24 and 27 with 3 or 4 older players after that .

im still telling scottish football is not a place to field too many youngsters . they get kicked off the park .

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5 minutes ago, mulphy said:

what about aitchison only a kid , what about mcgregor , what about armstrong , ralston , johnstone also kids ,  eboue .

all youngsters .

the rest of the team is between 24 and 27 with 3 or 4 older players after that .

im still telling scottish football is not a place to field too many youngsters . they get kicked off the park .

McGregor and Armstrong get to play but aren't kids any more. 

The others just get some token playing time so the team can claim "to promote youngsters" and yadda yadda. 

Sure Scottish football is physical and there wasn't a shortage of aggressive players there last time I checked. It's sink or swim though, if the kids aren't good enough at 18-19 to challenge for a first team place, chances are that they'll never be good enough. Sure, you get the occasional late bloomers but there is a good reason why thousands of footballers every year retire at the ages of 18-19. 

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3 minutes ago, Andrew19 said:

McGregor and Armstrong get to play but aren't kids any more. 

The others just get some token playing time so the team can claim "to promote youngsters" and yadda yadda. 

Sure Scottish football is physical and there wasn't a shortage of aggressive players there last time I checked. It's sink or swim though, if the kids aren't good enough at 18-19 to challenge for a first team place, chances are that they'll never be good enough. Sure, you get the occasional late bloomers but there is a good reason why thousands of footballers every year retire at the ages of 18-19. 

eboue is a 3 million pound 19 year old signing , big money in scottish football .

mcgregor came through the celtic ranks , hes 24 later this year but been in the squad maybe 4 years and playing regularly , scottish internation player .

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Andrew19    77
4 minutes ago, mulphy said:

eboue is a 3 million pound 19 year old signing , big money in scottish football .

mcgregor came through the celtic ranks , hes 24 later this year but been in the squad maybe 4 years and playing regularly , scottish internation player .

McGregor is an international player, he has been playing for a few years but isn't a youngster any more. 

Eboue is not a youngster you promoted through your academy, you bought him for 3million like you said. I don't know why he doesn't get much playing time considering you spent a fair bit on him. 

In the end of the day there's nothing wrong in buying talented players and selling them at a profit. You fans might not like that players tread the club as a stepping stone in their career but that's the way it is nowadays. 

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Murchie    541
1 hour ago, Andrew19 said:

McGregor is an international player, he has been playing for a few years but isn't a youngster any more. 

Eboue is not a youngster you promoted through your academy, you bought him for 3million like you said. I don't know why he doesn't get much playing time considering you spent a fair bit on him. 

In the end of the day there's nothing wrong in buying talented players and selling them at a profit. You fans might not like that players tread the club as a stepping stone in their career but that's the way it is nowadays. 

I think most Celtic fans are aware of the fact that players come to Celtic with the hope of getting a move to the EPL and many players have done just that, some have succeeded some haven't when that move has come. No different though to a player going to a team at the lower end of the EPL or the Championship and hoping to get a move. Would i have liked some of those players to have stayed, of course I would have but thats just the way football is. 

Without a doubt Dembele will move on but right now what's better for him, playing regular first team football and getting to play in the CL or being at say Chelsea and playing for their under 23's or loaned out to Swindon because thats what would propably happen if Chelsea were to buy him this summer. If Celtic get 2/3 Good years out of him then sell him for a tidy profit then fine, yes I'd rather he stayed longer but as I said that's just the way football is.

Now on the flip side of the coin, have read of what Scott Sinclair has to say about his first season at Celtic.

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mulphy    1,043

Although eboue doesn't get much time on the park it's because Celtic have maybe 7 or 8 midfield players better than him despite his 3 million transfer fee .

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Parky    1,910
45 minutes ago, Murchie said:

I think most Celtic fans are aware of the fact that players come to Celtic with the hope of getting a move to the EPL and many players have done just that, some have succeeded some haven't when that move has come. No different though to a player going to a team at the lower end of the EPL or the Championship and hoping to get a move. Would i have liked some of those players to have stayed, of course I would have but thats just the way football is. 

Without a doubt Dembele will move on but right now what's better for him, playing regular first team football and getting to play in the CL or being at say Chelsea and playing for their under 23's or loaned out to Swindon because thats what would propably happen if Chelsea were to buy him this summer. If Celtic get 2/3 Good years out of him then sell him for a tidy profit then fine, yes I'd rather he stayed longer but as I said that's just the way football is.

Now on the flip side of the coin, have read of what Scott Sinclair has to say about his first season at Celtic.

If you read Chris Sutton's  book he speaks  very highly of his time there,  Celtic are  a massive club and the SPL is a combative  league Ozil for example would not touch the ball up there if he played for anyone outside  of top 4, Hartson, Roberts , Hurlock (Rangers before they folded ) did well up there,  its a tough old league thats for sure.

I remember Ally Mc Coist  going to Sunderland as a nipper, never quite worked out .. But look at Dalglish ..

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Murchie    541
On 2017-5-11 at 4:29 PM, Parky said:

Rodgers has a good reputation for managing kids through, what killed him at liverpool was signing Balotelli... Good luck to your mates son, 

Well the young lad got on and in doing so became the youngest ever Aberdeen player. 

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Andrew19    77
9 hours ago, mulphy said:

Although eboue doesn't get much time on the park it's because Celtic have maybe 7 or 8 midfield players better than him despite his 3 million transfer fee .

Doesn't make sense to spend big money to buy a player if you've got many players playing in the same position. 

9 hours ago, Parky said:

If you read Chris Sutton's  book he speaks  very highly of his time there, 

Celtic were a much bigger club (in relative terms) back then. 

 

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